“This is the operative statement. The others are inoperative.”
– Ron Ziegler April 17 1973, retracting previous statements that had been revealed to be false.
Note: I started reading this when it was aired on Countdown, so I followed along - the tape doesn’t match the published transcript.
Q Why does the CIA need an exemption from the military?
MR. McCLELLAN: David, let’s talk about people that you’re talking about who have been brought to justice and captured. You’re talking about people like Khalid Shaykh Muhammad; people like Abu Zubaydah.
Q I’m asking you –
MR. McCLELLAN: No, this is facts about what you’re talking about.
Q Why does the CIA need an exemption from rules that would govern the conduct of our military in interrogation practices?
MR. McCLELLAN: There are already laws and rules that are on the books, and we follow those laws and rules. What we need to make sure is that we are able to carry out the war on terrorism as effectively as possible, not only –
Q What does that mean –
MR. McCLELLAN: What I’m telling you right now – not only to protect Americans from an attack, but to prevent an attack from happening in the first place. And, you bet, when we capture terrorist leaders, we are going to seek to find out information that will protect – that prevent attacks from happening in the first place. But we have an obligation to do so. Our military knows this; all people within the United States government know this. We have an obligation to do so in a way that is consistent with our laws and values.
Now, the people that you are bringing up – you’re talking about in the context, and I think it’s important for the American people to know, are people like Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi Binalshibh – these are – these are dangerous killers.
Q So they’re all killers –
Q Did you ask for an exemption on torture? That’s a simple question, yes or no.
MR. McCLELLAN: No. And we have not. That’s what I told you at the beginning.
Q You want to reserve the ability to use tougher tactics with those individuals who you mentioned.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, obviously, you have a different view from the American people. I think the American people understand the importance of doing everything within our power and within our laws to protect the American people.
Q Scott, are you saying that Cheney did not ask –
Q What is it that you want the – what is it that you want the CIA to be able to do that the U.S. Armed Forces are not allowed to do?
MR. McCLELLAN: I’m not going to get into talking about national security matters, Bill. I don’t do that, because this involves –
Q This would be the exemption, in other words.
MR. McCLELLAN: This involves information that relates to doing all we can to protect the American people. And if you have a different view – obviously, some of you on this room – in this room have a different view, some of you on the front row have a different view.
This is where it’s different - Scotty basically said that the reporters (in the front row) didn’t know what the American people wanted, and were out of touch with Americans. The implication (not very well disguised) was that the reporters were being un-American.
Q We simply are asking a question.
Q What is the Vice President – what is the Vice President asking for?
MR. McCLELLAN: It’s spelled out in our statement of administration policy in terms of what our views are. That’s very public information. In terms of our discussions with members of Congress –
Q – no, it’s not –
MR. McCLELLAN: In terms of our members – like I said, there are already laws on the books that we have to adhere to and abide by, and we do. And we believe that those laws and those obligations address these issues.
Q So then why is the Vice President continuing to lobby on this issue? If you’re very happy with the laws on the books, what needs change?
MR. McCLELLAN: Again, you asked me – you want to ask questions of the Vice President’s office, feel free to do that. We’ve made our position very clear, and it’s spelled out on our website for everybody to see.
Q We don’t need a website, we need you from the podium.
MR. McCLELLAN: And what I just told you is what our view is.
Q But Scott, do you see the contradiction –
The transcript shows a change of topic - in reality it went a little longer with the reporters getting more and more adamant that he “just answer the question”, and somewhat incredulous that he would say “ask questions of the Vice President’s office”.